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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:28 pm 
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Would this be considered a natural feature :?: it's dirt and the car has been "grandfathered" in for being there so long.
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Just kiddin' :P

You all have made some good points some not quite accurate some right on point.
...But please give it a rest already :roll:


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 Post subject: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:07 am 
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Torque#three wrote:
Would this be considered a natural feature :?: it's dirt and the car has been "grandfathered" in for being there so long.
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Just kiddin' :P

You all have made some good points some not quite accurate some right on point.
...But please give it a rest already :roll:



Is this Graham Hills parking loop trail BTW This is the shit can you started kickin' !!!!

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 Post subject: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:23 am 
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And there goes and progress that could have been potentially made...


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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:52 am 
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Lipster94 wrote:
And there goes and progress that could have been potentially made...


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Not so. The take away here is that the WMBA is open to any ideas. Present your dream, describe what is needed to get it done, detail your strategy and your plan for getting any labor or money needed, get approval, roll up your sleeves and lead the way.

Enough talk, time to ride...

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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:13 pm 
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Evan wrote:
Lipster94 wrote:
And there goes and progress that could have been potentially made...


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Not so. The take away here is that the WMBA is open to any ideas. Present your dream, describe what is needed to get it done, detail your strategy and your plan for getting any labor or money needed, get approval, roll up your sleeves and lead the way.

Enough talk, time to ride...


I no longer live or ride in Westchester.
I specifically outlined a way to raise money for you guys to build and maintain a new trail or two.

Someone started this thread stating a problem. I offered a solution with specific examples of other parts of the country that have overcome this problem. If i still lived there, i would absolutely be going after after this issue more aggressively. Hopefully one of you guys heed my advice and put some of these words into action.

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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:04 pm 
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I haven't enjoyed reading a post on the WMBA forum this much in a couple of years. Classic.

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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
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Bean wrote:
I haven't enjoyed reading a post on the WMBA forum this much in a couple of years. Classic.

Bean


What's classic is the bike you're riding! I'm sure it's 8 months old by now. You'll never finish La Ruta riding that thing. Let's go HellRider, sign up for La Ruta and give us some entertainment! (bait on)

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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:46 pm 
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Im going to kick this shit can once again. Ive tried to ride Debacle 2day , had to walk out - too leafy and wind blown. Some sections were totally unrecognizable.
My plea is if U want to ride this trail , ride with somebody that knows were he's going or go somewhere else (GH would be good place). Don't ride randomly thru the woods!!!
BTW Instead of gathering funds to semipave the trails we can hold some kind of biweekly clinic for reformed semi pro Strava weekend warriors , wives , gfriends , boyfriends , aspiring downhillers ,CX afficcionados - et cetera and I have more (not to mention police persons on their funny bikes cos I encountered them 2) how to keep your front wheel in the middle of existing trail ??
I have Waambulance standing by in case of severe confusion.

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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
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What is the formal process to pitch a trail idea or getting people together to do maintenance? Do you write to the Westchester County Parks Department? How long is the process to get approval? Is permission needed to do a work day? Some of the trails are deteriorating from heavy rainfall.


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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:19 am 
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Sngltrack wrote:
What is the formal process to pitch a trail idea or getting people together to do maintenance? Do you write to the Westchester County Parks Department? How long is the process to get approval? Is permission needed to do a work day? Some of the trails are deteriorating from heavy rainfall.


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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:53 pm 
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I've read this thread with some great interest. Incredible how some people make some statements without any basis in fact. I'm going to apologize up front for the style of trails we have at Blue - they are the product of passionately obsessed people that like to ride that type of trail. The rule was/is, if you have the idea for a trail and put in the labor to build it, you get to more or less choose the style for that trail. I was never and still am not the best technical rider out there but the trails where designed and built to specifically challenge people - to ride a level above. Some trails were built to be easier than others but time has made a lot of them much more challenging. Further, they were put it with the very specific guidelines not to disturb any of the surroundings. In fact, no trees or even saplings were cut to make way for the trail. Skunk cabbage doesn't even get disturbed.
Regarding WMBA's involvment, I'm pretty sure Evan's facts are right. Only a very small handeful of trails were at Blue before WMBA came into existence.
And for what is it worth, most of the trails where built on my goddam f'cnk lunch hour with nothing more than a 3 prong f'cking rake over about a 3 week period between the the snow melt and the ground drying up enough to ride. I did it with the help of a few other insaine people (Egret, Farty, Reynolds) because I am addicted to riding and needed more trails and better loops to ride. Plain and simple....

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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:24 pm 
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Hey MTV!

Just a quick note about how all of this crazy mtb stuff happened in Westchester:
Basically, everything mtb related in Westchester Parks exists because of Dave DeLucia. If it wasn't for Dave, those "No Bikes" signs would still be up at Blue Mountain. Without him, there is a good chance that nothing would be legal, and we would all be poaching powerlines or sluming it on road bikes.

When I first started working on trails, Dave was VERY knowledgeable about trail design and environmental impacts. In addition to his extensive woods knowledge, Dave was also a professional landscape architect, and perhaps more important, has excellent taste, and an acute sense of design. Dave taught me a lot about trail building, and we also both learned a lot from the New York, New Jersey Trail Conference (NYNJTC). Since this was about 1994 or so, IMBA barely existed on the East Coast, and what "mountain biking" would become was still being defined. (Look at a Mountain Bike Action magazine from back then, to gaze at the horror that could have been...) The people with trail building experience were hikers, and we used what we learned to build mtb/hiking compatible trails.

Anyway, without getting into the history of who built what trail, the point is that Dave taught me over 20 years ago, and later we worked with others to build various trails. Dave worked with MTV. Dave and I worked with Chuck, AJ, Scott, and many many others. For example, the trails that Scott recently built involved a handful of people with over 50 years of combined trailbuilding and maintenance experience. I think there will probably be 100 years of combined experience at the lodge party this weekend.

Over the years, many lessons were learned, and some of the trails aged like a pair of acid washed Z Cavariccis, but the trails in the Westchester Parks are among the best in the US. These amazing trails are not the result of luck, but the wise guidance of Dave DeLucia, and thousands of hours of work from dozens or rather hundreds of skilled volunteers. (I should also note that in addition to trail builders, WMBA volunteers have also put in countless hours promoting the sport, running the festivals, races, raising money for charities and the parks, teaching, etc. etc.)

I should also note that the residents of Westchester Country have gotten dozens of miles of well maintained trails for riding, hiking, trail running, nature study, etc. at barely any cost. Mountain biking has gone from a fringe pseudo sport, to a highly respected outdoor recreation institution.

I think the stuff lipster94 is talking about IS the future of the sport, or at least part of the future, but I think that is going to come from the generation that is participating in High School mountain bike races right now, not the generation that can't figure out what size wheels belong on a mountain bike. I also suspect that it will be happening first on the fringes of various golf courses, or other private companies with deep pockets, before it reaches The Parks.

Before we start planning miles of new trails, lets fix up what we got, and build a pump track or two first!

EDIT: And I swear I'll get around to cutting those logs that fell on the beginner trail at Sprain... unless they rot away first...


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 Post subject: New age phenomenon
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:44 pm 
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What he said and change your pre ride music from John Tesh to Motörhead !!!

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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
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 Post subject: Re: New age phenomenon
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